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Monday, July 22, 2013

Indians Cite Long History of Unequal Justice

2 Surveys Document Racial Divide on Zimmerman Verdict

Sharpton Plays Multiple Roles Almost Simultaneously

Bennie Ivory Retiring After 40-Year Newspaper Career

Carole Simpson: "All Women Journalists Owe Helen Thomas . . ."

Copps Urges FCC to Oppose Gannett Acquisition of Belo

Asian Journalists Meet with KTVU Managers Over Prank

White House Said to Lack Vision on Detroit Bankruptcy

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Indians Cite Long History of Unequal Justice

The fallout from the George Zimmerman trial was in the air Friday, as President Obama made a surprise speech about the verdict in the White House press briefing room. But at the National Native Media Conference in Tempe, Ariz., where the Native American Journalists Association was meeting, other topics ruled the day. The words "George Zimmerman" or "Trayvon Martin" were hardly uttered.

When asked why, attendees offered remarkably similar responses, variations of, "Welcome to my world. Native Americans receive unequal justice all the time."

"We have our own system of injustice, and we've been living it for 100 years," Tim Giago, Oglala Lakota, veteran Native journalist and founding president of NAJA, told Journal-isms.

"We're used to it. We have to prove our innocence," replied Lucinda Hughes-Juan, Tohono O'odham, a freelance business writer and business instructor at Tohono O'odham Community College.

"Native Americans have always dealt with similar circumstances," said Ronnie Washines of the Yakama Nation Review, a  Yakama and a former NAJA president.

Each could cite examples.

In South Dakota, Giago said, a Native American was given a five-year sentence for driving while intoxicated, while a white man received probation.

"On my reservation alone," Washines said, "there have been almost a dozen unsolved murders and missing women cases." Then-Attorney General Alberto Gonzales came to the reservation and promised to have investigators review all of the unsolved homicide and mysterious death cases on the reservation.

"They can't find anything. Came back with zero," Washines said.

"This is typical," Hughes-Juan said of the way justice was administered in the Martin case. "Being followed around in stores, stuff like that. We have so many issues, poverty issues, day-to-day survival." In March, NAJA and other Native groups complained to CBS-TV about the sitcom "Mike and Molly." "In the episode in question, Mike's mother, Peggy, who is played by Rondi Reed, reacted negatively to remarks that she should go to Arizona," Bill Donovan reported then for the Navajo Times.

"Arizona? Why should I go to Arizona? It's nothing but a furnace full of drunk Indians," the character says.

"It's a stereotype we get all the time," Hughes-Juan said. "Welcome to the club. I could still be going into a store in Tucson and not be waited on."

Both a publicist for the show and CBS refused to apologize — or to comment at all, Donovan wrote. A CBS spokeswoman told Journal-isms on Monday that the network still had no comment.

Loren Tapahe, president and CEO of the American Indian Chamber of Commerce of Arizona and former publisher of the Navajo Times in Window Rock, Ariz., recalled the 2010 case of Vincent Kee, a young mentally disabled Navajo man.

"A McDonald's employee, Paul Beebe, according to the DOJ, 'took the victim to his apartment, which was adorned in racist paraphernalia, including a Nazi flag and a woven dream catcher with a swastika in it,' " Diane J. Schmidt reported in February 2012 for the Navajo Times, referring to the Justice Department.

"Two other McDonald's employees, Jesse Sanford and William Hatch, joined them after their shift.

"There, in the course of a nightmarish evening that the defense would attempt to characterize as pranks gone awry, they drew the words 'white power' on the back of Kee's neck with a marker and an obscene picture on his back, shaved a swastika into his hair, and used markers to write the words 'KKK' and 'White Power' within the lines of the swastika, clearly identifying its intent.

"Finally, Kee was assaulted. Beebe put a towel in his mouth to stifle his screams and branded a swastika on his arm with a wire hanger heated on the stove. The defendants recorded their actions on a cell phone as 'proof' that Kee consented to their acts. . . ."

Three men were sentenced for the crime, but, Tapahe said, "It didn't make the news until the federal government got involved."

Native Americans rank near the bottom on so many social indicators that "a lot of this one is Native people are always dealing with our own issues," Perci Ami, a Hopi master trainer and facilitator who came to the convention in place of an ailing Patty Talahongva, a past NAJA president. If Martin had been an Indian, "We would have responded the way African American people are responding. That's probably the main reason you don't see a lot of discussion."

Outside the convention, some Native Americans have taken a different approach. Activist Suzan Shown Harjo last year used the Martin case, in which Zimmerman, a night watchman, fatally shot Martin, an unarmed black teenager, as an example of white privilege.

"All sorts of excuses are made for whites who harm non-whites, mainly that they act out of fear," Harjo wrote. "No one really acknowledges what their fear is: That non-whites, once in charge of anything, will be as bad to the whites as they have been to us."

Suzette Brewer wrote last week for the Indian Country Today Media Network about a high-profile custody case involving 3-year-old Veronica Brown, a Cherokee, and Matt and Melanie Capobianco, a white couple who took the newborn Veronica home from the hospital in an open adoption approved by the mother. Brewer quoted an outraged Native legal scholar: "This is Indian country's Trayvon Martin moment; we cannot pass on this."

Gyasi Ross, a member of the Blackfeet Nation whose family also belongs to the Suquamish Nation, wrote last year about the backlash he received from "one small group of dissenters" who disagreed with his piece urging everyone to care about the Martin case.

"We must realize that Native people have a vested interest in making sure that everybody in this country's rights are respected," Ross wrote. "The more that all people of color are able to enforce their rights in this country, the more likely that justice will eventually make its way to Native people.

"We are all inextricably linked and need each other — therefore, Indian people should be screaming for justice for Trayvon Martin specifically because we've seen many instances of Native people being killed by rednecks under the theory that the Native people were 'threatening' before.

"We should be screaming for the racial profiling of Mexicans in Arizona to stop specifically because we know what it feels like to be racially profiled and to thus be robbed of our rights. When redneck legislators attempt to limit the ability of homosexuals to decide whether they want to marry or not, we should stand beside them understanding how demeaning it is to have outsiders dictate what you can and cannot do as a group.

"We should stand with poor and voiceless people of all colors, including poor white people. We should stand up for them, because we would want them to stand up for us when our human and civil rights are threatened. No more begging for scraps — let's demand full justice for all of our people."

2 Surveys Document Racial Divide on Zimmerman Verdict

"African Americans have a mostly shared and sharply negative reaction to the shooting of Trayvon Martin and the not-guilty verdict in the resulting trial, while whites are far more divided, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll," Jon Cohen reported Monday for the Post.

"At least eight in 10 African Americans say the shooting of the Florida teenager was unjustified, recoil at the verdict in the trial and want the shooter, George Zimmerman, tried in federal court for violating Martin's civil rights.

"On the Martin shooting in particular, the racial gaps are extremely wide. . . ."

The Pew Research Center released similar findings.

"African Americans express a clear and strong reaction to the case and its meaning: By an 86% to 5% margin, blacks are dissatisfied with Zimmerman's acquittal in the death of Trayvon Martin," the center said Monday. "And nearly eight-in-ten blacks (78%) say the case raises important issues about race that need to be discussed. Among whites, more are satisfied (49%) than dissatisfied (30%) with the outcome of the Zimmerman trial. Just 28% of whites say the case raises important issues about race, while twice as many (60%) say the issue of race is getting more attention than it deserves.

"Not only do reactions to the outcome of the case vary widely across racial lines, but overall interest levels also are very different. When asked, in a separate survey, what recent news story they are talking about with friends and family, 63% of blacks volunteer the Zimmerman trial compared with 42% of whites. Nearly six-in-ten African Americans (58%) say they followed news about the verdict and reactions to the case very closely compared with 34% of whites. . . ."

Meanwhile, the Root reposted an April 2012 piece by Edward Wyckoff Williams, who wrote, "On last week's episode of This Week on ABC, Washington Post columnist George Will said that despite the Trayvon tragedy, '150 black men are killed every week in this country,' and 'about 94 percent of them by other black men.'

"Will parroted arguments made by many conservatives, his intended point being that black-on-black crime remains the real problem our nation should address. The half-truth he spoke went curiously unchallenged by the panel — including former White House adviser Van Jones — largely because the meta-narrative of black-on-black violence is widely accepted in journalistic and political circles."

But, Williams noted, "What Will, [Shelby] Steele and [Bill] O'Reilly failed to mention is the exacting truth that white Americans are just as likely to be killed by other whites. According to Justice Department statistics [pdf], 84 percent of white people killed every year are killed by other whites. . . ."

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Sharpton Plays Multiple Roles Almost Simultaneously

In just a few hours, the Rev. Al Sharpton played several parts in the Trayvon Martin story, Paul Farhi wrote for the Washington Post, "virtually at once: national TV host, Martin-family advocate, rally organizer and promoter, and newsmaker."

Farhi added, "Sharpton's immersion in the story — unthinkable for a network-news figure even a few years ago — has raised questions for MSNBC and its parent, NBC News. Among them: [Are] Sharpton, and MSNBC, helping to create some of the very news MSNBC is covering?

"MSNBC's president, Phil Griffin, acknowledged in an interview that Sharpton is different from the network's other hosts; indeed, Griffin hired him in 2011 with a 'carve out' from NBC News' policy of prohibiting employees from direct involvement in political activity."

Farhi went on to quote Gregory H. Lee Jr., president of the National Association of Black Journalists. "Rev. Sharpton has never claimed to be a journalist, so therefore, as to the question of the ethics of his participation in protests and rallies surrounding the Trayvon Martin tragedy, I'm not sure that the same rules apply as it would to, say, a reporter or anchor," Lee said in the story.

" 'I said at the time of the Rev.'s hiring that I am pleased that he represents a growing amount of on-air diversity at cable networks,' Lee said, adding: 'It is of the utmost importance that the nation's television networks, radio stations, newspapers, magazines and online outlets represent the diversity of our viewers, listeners and readers.' "

Speaking of online diversity, Roxane Gay wrote in Salon Saturday of her "anger, frustration and bewilderment" in reading a piece by Salon writer Rich Benjamin that asked about Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr., " Is Holder the president’s conscience? Or his Inner Nigger?

Gay replied, "As I followed various reactions on Twitter, I wrote my Salon editor, Anna North, because I wanted to know more about the editorial process. Later, I spoke on the phone with Salon's interim editor-in-chief, David Daley, and we had a frank and lengthy conversation with about diversity and editorial/creative freedom.

"But. Is Benjamin's piece a writing problem or an editorial problem? In looking at the editorial staff of Salon, one thing is clear — there is little ethnic diversity. Let's not pretend, however, that this is only a Salon problem. Most magazines, online and print, are utterly lacking in editorial diversity and demonstrate little interest in addressing the problem. I don't need to name names; just pick a magazine. . . ."

Bennie Ivory Retiring After 40-Year Newspaper Career

Bennie Ivory

"After a more than 40-year award-winning newspaper career that began weeks after high school graduation, Courier-Journal Executive Editor Bennie Ivory announced Monday that he is retiring effective Friday," Gregory A. Hall reported for the Gannett-owned Louisville, Ky., daily.

"During Ivory's 16 years at The Courier-Journal, the news organization won a 2005 Pulitzer Prize for editorial cartooning and amplified its reputation as a staunch advocate for public journalism. Under Ivory's leadership, the newspaper won awards for news reports that shed light on child abuse in the state, prescription drug abuse and an attempted merger of University of Louisville Hospital with religious health-care organizations. . . ."

He added, "Before that, he worked in his hometown of Hot Springs, Ark.; Monroe, La.; Jackson, Miss.; in Brevard County, Fla.; and Wilmington, Del. He was on the start-up team as national editor at USA Today, and as managing editor at The Clarion-Ledger in Jackson, Miss., in 1989 directed reporting that led to the re-indictment of white supremacist Byron De La Beckwith in the murder of civil-rights leader Medgar Evers 26 years earlier."

Ivory messaged Journal-isms, "What do I plan to do next? I have a list that includes fishing, some travel, grandkids, etc." Asked why he is retiring at 62, Ivory wrote, "Why the hell not??? I never had any intention of going until 65 or later."

Don Hudson, executive editor of the Decatur (Ala.) Daily, told Journal-isms by email, "Bennie is going to be missed big time in our industry. He was my role model coming up, and still is. He cares about people and for a long time has been a leader of diversity in the industry.

"Bennie is an outstanding news person, especially on the FOIA front. He never looked for or expected recognition; it just came his way because of his aggressive, hard-nosed approach toward journalism."

Wanda Lloyd, a former fellow Gannett editor, messaged, "Bennie Ivory is one of the deans among journalists in Gannett. We met briefly when I arrived in Gannett at USA Today in 1986.

"Bennie was an editor there, already on his way out the door to work in a leadership role at another Gannett paper. He told me once that he was moving around the company so fast that he sometimes didn't get to unpack all of his family's boxes because Gannett called him to higher and higher roles.

"He found his niche in Louisville and he did some great work there. We relied on Bennie's sober perspective and wisdom in matters of journalism excellence and newsroom diversity. He mentored a lot of young journalists and he made our business better."

Lloyd is now chair/associate professor of the Department of Mass Communications at Savannah State University.

Simpson: "All Women Journalists Owe Helen Thomas . . ."

President Obama took a break from his official duties on Aug. 4, 2009, to bring "I first met Helen Thomas when I was covering the Reagan White House for ABC News," retired anchor Carole Simpson messaged Journal-isms Saturday after the news broke that Thomas, 92, had died.

"It was exciting to finally meet the woman I had watched end presidential press conferences through the years with her words, 'Thank You Mr. President.'

"For all her accomplishments as a trailblazer for women journalists wanting to cover the White House, she was surprisingly down to earth with a ready laugh, but all business when news broke out. I remember her being one of the first reporters to arrive in the morning and one of the last to leave at night. And at that time she was considered a 'older woman.' But no young Turks were going to beat her. I used to tell her 'I want to be you, when I grow up.' What I meant is that, I wanted to continue to turn out excellent work long past retirement age.

"I am saddened that people remember the lamentable end of her career when she answered a question about the Middle East, in which she said, "Israel should get out of Palestine...etc." An uproar followed. I fear she'll be remembered for that one minute of speaking her mind rather than her many accomplishments as a trailblazing female journalist. She took the slings and arrows of male discrimination and sexual harassment to reach the top of our profession. All women journalists today owe her gratitude and respect."

Reginald Stuart, a corporate recruiter for the McClatchy Co. and a past president of the Society of Professional Journalists, remembers Thomas' ties to SPJ. "Helen was a treasured colleague who would do anything to help her fellow journalists," Stuart told Journal-isms.

"In the case of SPJ, when we were on hard times in the mid-'90s, she went the extra mile to help us keep our profile up. She went to regional meetings, national conferences. At that point in time, to have Helen Thomas on the marquee was like having a superstar — but she was a superstar.

"She was especially attentive and kind and patient and she would not leave a venue until she answered every question everybody had, and she was especially kind to young, aspiring journalists."

The Lebanese-born Thomas received a "Pioneers in Journalism" award from the Asian American Journalists Association in 2004.

Copps Urges FCC to Oppose Gannett Acquisition of Belo

Former FCC Commissioner Michael J. Copps Saturday urged the FCC to "say no to this continuing consolidation" of media outlets, pointing to last month's announcement that Gannett Co. plans to buy Belo Corp. for $2.2 billion in a deal that will make Gannett the USA's fourth largest owner of major network affiliates, reaching nearly a third of U.S. households.

Copps was speaking at the National Native Media Conference in Tempe, Ariz., where he implored Native Americans — and all Americans — not to fall further behind in adopting and becoming familiar with broadband technology.

Copps was considered the most progressive member of the FCC when he served from 2001 to 2011, with media consolidation and diversity among his signature concerns. Last week, the Radio Television Digital News Association reported, "We're now losing TV newsrooms at the fairly steady rate of eight per year," as "quite a few TV newsrooms have been subsumed in some sort of consolidation or shared services agreement."

Appearing with Copps was Geoffrey Blackwell, who heads the FCC's recently created Office of Native Affairs and Policy. Blackwell, an enrolled member of the Muscogee (Creek) Nation, told the group, "We need champions who are non-Native" and that "more people have got to get more serious about the opportunities and the challenges here. It's not the commission's job to take care of Indian Country. It's my job to provide opportunity. Folks need to get involved. . . . You've got to do a lot of reading."

Copps called broadband — high-speed Internet connections — "the infrastructure of the 21st century. There will be no resolution to any of the important problems facing this country unless we realize that each one has a broadband component to it.

"The overall job that the country is doing in broadband is not very good. It's not just Native lands that have suffered; it's everybody in the country that's been held back."

Copps, now an adviser to Common Cause, said in his keynote speech, "We have to engage tribal policymakers the way they were engaged in the '60s and '70s" around social concerns. "Develop a cadre of people in organizations like this" on such issues, he said.

In addition to broadband issues, Natives and others should be focusing on the upcoming auction of broadcast spectrum. Will the spectrum be used by the big commercial companies or targeted toward people of color for use in mobile broadband or otherwise? Copps asked.

The FCC last month "adopted a Report and Order that will add 10 megahertz to the wireless broadband inventory for flexible use services in the 'H Block' spectrum (1915-1920 MHz and 1995-2000 MHz) for commercial licensing," Gary Arlen reported for Multichannel News. "The ruling establishes that the bandwidth will be licensed on an 'Economic Area basis' and auctioned through a system of competitive bidding.

"Ruth Milkman, chief of the Wireless Telecommunications Bureau, said she expects 10 MHz of spectrum will be available for use — including for mobile broadband — with a target of February 2015."

Asian Journalists Meet with KTVU Managers Over Prank

"Last Friday, a team of AAJA leaders met with high-level managers at KTVU for a lengthy discussion over the broadcast of bogus Asian-sounding names that purported to identify the four pilots on board Asiana Flight 214, which crashed at San Francisco International Airport on July 6," Bobby Caina Calvan wrote Monday for the Asian American Journalists Association. "The 90-minute meeting, held at the station’s offices in Oakland, was professional and constructive."

He added, "AAJA's primary interests focused on moving forward and understanding the chain of events that led to the on-air slurs being broadcast during KTVU’s noon newscast on July 12. We were firm in our questions, but professional. In the end, the station declined to share key details because of personnel issues and the continuing possibility of litigation. We expressed serious concerns over the lack of detail, and we will continue to push KTVU to be more forthcoming. . . ."

Calvan continued, "The station vowed to improve its journalism by adopting basic protocols in vetting information:

  • "Check spelling and pronunciation of names

  • "Confirm the identity of sources, including position within the "organization

  • "Rely on more than a yes/no confirmation

  • "Establish a better system to check graphics

  • "Slow things down to take the time to properly vet information.

  • "Scrutinize tips that come from social media"

"The station said it would do whatever it could to repair its credibility and relationship with the Bay Area’s Asian American communities. [Vice President and General Manager Tom] Raponi said he has reached out to a few Asian American groups. . . ."

In a midyear message to members on Monday, National President Paul Cheung said AAJA had 1,454 members as of July 1, of whom 777 were full members, 145 gold full, 19 platinum full, 130 gold associate, 14 retired, six lifetime and 350 student members.

White House Said to Lack Vision on Detroit Bankruptcy

"The White House's we’ll-keep-an-eye-on-that response to the biggest municipal bankruptcy filing in U.S. history is an astounding puzzler and suggests a dangerous lack of urban vision — and no understanding of Detroit's unique issues," Stephen Henderson, editorial page editor of the Detroit Free Press, wrote Sunday in his column.

"White House spokesperson Amy Brundage said the president was 'monitoring' the situation and remained 'committed' to a partnership in recovery.

"Vice President Joe Biden was even more aloof. 'We don't know' how the federal government can help Detroit, he told MSNBC on Friday morning.

"Really? No agenda or ideas for helping the nation's auto capital, once its fourth largest city, get back on its feet after a 60-year decline that owes, in large part, to spectacular, federally subsidized abandonment, scattered and inconsistent manufacturing policy and retiree issues that are beginning to sink cities around the country?

"Let's provide some much-needed direction for President Barack Obama and Clueless Joe.

"Detroit's rebirth is what they ought to be focused on, thinking about how federal dollars can help fuel the city's economic growth, shore up its services and attract the businesses and residents who will ply its future. . . . "

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White House Said to Lack Vision on Detroit Bankruptcy


Whoa! The WH lacks a vision on Detroit's bankruptcy? Really? What about the news scribblers and talkers? They failed to dig up info on Gov. Rick Snyder's conservative backers who've been pushing anti-union and pro-corporate takeover of Michigan cities and towns. 

What some may not know is Snyder followed the blueprint of his handlers at the Mackinac Center for Public Policy.  The center is home to the ultra-conservative think tank that’s had designs on Michigan, dating from the year 2000.


The Mackinac Center was successful in getting the right-to-work measure passed.  Other actions on the MCPP agenda:

  • Climate change deniers
  • Anti-renewable energy
  • Privatization of education
  • Unusual use of the FOIA(Freedom of Information Act) moved to obtain e-mails of several university professors, which mentioned  the words: collective bargaining, Maddow, among other phrases or names

Who funds the Mackinac Center?  Here’s a partial list:

  • The Koch Fdtn
  • Richard & Helen DeVos Fdtn
  • Lynde & Harry Bradley Fdtn
  • John M. Olin Fdtn

There is a national network of billionaires, spending millions to fund GOP lawmakers, corporate lobby groups, think tanks and right wing media organizations. 



 "Those who deny the racial angle to the killing of Trayvon Martin can only do so by a willful ignorance, a carefully cultivated denial of every logical, obvious piece of evidence before them, and by erasing from their minds.

Who still believes that this case had nothing to do with race — or worse, that it was simply a tragedy, the racial meaning of which was concocted by those whom they love to term “race hustlers” — are suffering from a delusion so profound as to call into question their capacities for rational thought.

Trayvon Martin is dead because he is black and because George Zimmerman can’t differentiate — and didn’t see the need to — between criminal and non-criminal black people. Which is to say, George Zimmerman is a racist. Because if you cannot differentiate between black criminals and just plain kids, and don’t even see the need to try, apparently, you are a racist."

Cross-postings from the Root

IMA Human Being

This is a great story. It speaks volume to white folk who always complain about Black americans, many and numerous complaints.

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As the country grows ever browner and white folk become just another minority people of color MUST force them to surrender their position of power. It's not going to be pretty but it MUST be done.

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IMA Human Being

It will be like South Africa, minus the great leader, Nelson Mandela !

crazy d

Are you sure you want to be like South Africa?

IMA Human Being crazy d, my comment was a correlation to QT's comment....never mind.



Deflection is something they always do to avoid what they do to others..or attempt to completely change the subject..I'm glad it's not working anymore..I know many blacks fleeing slavery went to reservations and many were hidden and did become part of the community..

Dallas Courchene

Who's to say the Cherokees weren't really providing secret refuge under the guise of being their slaves, and that's why they forced them to walk the trail of tears as punishment - and not keep the black slaves for themselves (valuable at the time).


I suppose Native Americans are still having to pay the moral bill of having participated in slavery.

Dallas Courchene

Actually - they weren't slaves - they were Freedmen. White people seen the Cherokee with the blacks, and immediately assumed they were slaves. When in fact, they were being freed.

My people never had a term for slaves, and in fact, we often allowed any war captives to become part of the community.

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What sobering thoughts. I had no idea Native Americans were treated so badly. I feel so ashamed.

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What planet have you been living on?

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Lol!! I know right!?


This whole situation (TM/GZ) has brought to life a subject that so desperately needed to be addressed. The Native American community has been so quiet. It is about time they speak up. I know of a lot of the trauma they have suffered but I did not know that they were also being profiled and abused and murdered the way they have been. Yes, this fight is for all of the people suffering at the hands of the hatred that is still very much alive and well in this country.

Charles Micheaux

Go into a court room and if you see all WHITE faces, you are doomed.

Take the Trayvon Martin Court for example.

Let's look at the picture:









At the end of the Trayvon Martin trial all the WHITE FACES were smiling, even the face of the WHITE KILLER, yes sir, he was smiling too.

This is what we call a WHITE VERDICT.

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"In South Dakota, Giago said, a Native American was given a five-year sentence for driving while intoxicated, while a white man received probation"

I never believe these kind of statements because if you dig deep enough, you always find the prior incidents that justified the difference in the court sentences.

Lila25 deep did you dig to determine the difference in the sentence was due to some "other" factor??

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Joy Love

@AmericanMade...You are incorrect. In 2011, almost 800 thousand whites were arrested for DUI. About 100 thousand blacks arrested for DUI. About 13 thousand Native Americans arrested for DUI. (Source: FBI, Uniform Crime Report).

You should look deeper.


good points


Roderick Scott- 42, black, built like a tank, concerned citizen; acquitted for shooting and killing Christorher Cervini-17, white, skinny, breaking into cars; by a white jury.



Um, if the "skinny kid" as you put it was caught in the 'act' of committing a crime..ok...However...I still would not have agreed that a 'car' is worth more than a life....another words, I would not have wanted the white teenager to loose his life for breaking into my car...would I have been angry for him breaking into my car? Yes! Absolutely...would I have wanted someone black to kill this teen breaking into my car? No fact I would not want anyone of any race killing a teen for breaking into a car...

Trayvon by the way was not caught in the act of committing any crime.....

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irene adler

yeah, where was this? it's not legal to shoot someone over property ever. even under stand your ground. ridiculous.

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Joy Love

@Irene are wrong. SYG in Florida applies if the individual who was killed was committing a crime, about to commit a crime, or had just committed a crime (including stealing property).

That is one reason they could not use it for Zimmerman. Trayvon Martin was not, had not, and wasn't about to commit any crime. Also, GZ would have had to testify. The defense didn't want that. Also, the prosecutors would have had to actually prosecute if GZ testified.


I am a black woman who's entire family shows native american traits. My Grand parents on both sides have told me how my ancestors where welcomed by native americans and how much they had in common culturaly. I wish I knew how to trace my roots and find out exactly what im made of: ) BrownSkinWins!!!!!



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